Do either of them have a lego logo? If not I’d say they are offbrand. Never seen either of these. 🤔

Yes! They do both have them! I actually doubted the small one, but it's flat silver and it does indeed have the logo. I'd say its maybe 2014 - 2018 range. The white bracket is slightly yellowed, and I'd say it's from the 1986 - 1999 range.