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** Well it's not all of them, I think a couple have been moved to the new numbers, but it's defintiely the vast majority, so it'd be easier to just do them all and remove those which have been moved. If you could manage to put {{tl|Partnames}} under the rating, that'd be great :) {{User:NightblazeSaber/sig}} 04:05, November 12, 2012 (UTC) |
** Well it's not all of them, I think a couple have been moved to the new numbers, but it's defintiely the vast majority, so it'd be easier to just do them all and remove those which have been moved. If you could manage to put {{tl|Partnames}} under the rating, that'd be great :) {{User:NightblazeSaber/sig}} 04:05, November 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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*Okay, so I've modified the {{tl|Partnames}} template so that when the parameter "inventory" is added the message will instead say, '''"Brickipedia is currently undergoing a change with the naming of part articles and this inventory lists parts that may have incorrect or outdated design IDs."'''. Could bot owners add this to all the inventory articles? Thanks, {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 08:55, December 6, 2012 (UTC) |
*Okay, so I've modified the {{tl|Partnames}} template so that when the parameter "inventory" is added the message will instead say, '''"Brickipedia is currently undergoing a change with the naming of part articles and this inventory lists parts that may have incorrect or outdated design IDs."'''. Could bot owners add this to all the inventory articles? Thanks, {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 08:55, December 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *Right, I have finally decided to get on and do this. {{User:UltrasonicNXT/Signature}} |
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+ | **Should all be done, tell me if you see anything wrong. {{User:UltrasonicNXT/Signature}} |
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::::: Yeah, a big long line of numbers could be a bit worrying :S {{User:NightblazeSaber/sig}} 04:50, November 22, 2012 (UTC) |
::::: Yeah, a big long line of numbers could be a bit worrying :S {{User:NightblazeSaber/sig}} 04:50, November 22, 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::: Brickset now lists the individual parts [http://www.brickset.com/parts/?part=6016977 by their element ID]. But then that leads us back to your idea of having "Part Example123/Example687"... {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 04:58, November 22, 2012 (UTC) |
:::::: Brickset now lists the individual parts [http://www.brickset.com/parts/?part=6016977 by their element ID]. But then that leads us back to your idea of having "Part Example123/Example687"... {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 04:58, November 22, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::: After pondering over this, I think your idea is best. And seeing as no one else has suggested anything else...I think I'll begin implementation of it. Demonstrated [[Inventory:212th Clone Trooper|here]]. {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 20:33, January 3, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | *Could somebody sum up the wall of text above me? I can't read it for long without getting bored and stopping. {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 20:11, January 10, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | **Okay, so: every torso piece, printed or not, has the design ID 76382. Obviously, this is a problem because we have a ton of torso pages and they all follow peeron or bricklink's system, which is incorrect. So, to keep the torso pages separate, NBS and I concocted a solution: sub-pages. Part 76832/6903487 (example number) would be one specific torso variation. Beause of the slash in the title, it would link back to the master page, Part 76382. That master page, would in turn link to every single torso piece variation. Now comes the next question: how do were separate the individual torso pages? Or in other words, what is that long number in the itle that comes after the master page name? Well, it's the element ID. Every piece has its own Element ID. Those are the numbers located at the back of set instructions. So, yeah. That's the plan whenever different parts have the same Design ID. We use Element ID subpages. {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 21:03, January 10, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | ***Okay. The only thing is the masterpage, especially in cases such as with torsos where it would be too long. What about a category instead? (Category:Part 76382 in this case) {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 21:12, January 10, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | ****That's not a bad idea...Yeah, I like it. In that way, a bot can add every part under the category "Minifigure Torsos" or ones that start with "973" to the "Master page category" instantly! And we then can change the part names consecutively and with ease! :D {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 21:14, January 10, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | *****Jeyo and I had the following discussion in chat: |
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+ | {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 01:49, January 11, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | *Here we go: [[Part 6009163]] is named after its Element ID. It is in the category [[:Category:Part 76382]]. Note that ''76382'' is in that Mandalorian torso's infobox. {{User:Jeyo/sig}} 07:46, January 15, 2013 (UTC) |
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== The Curious Case of Catwoman == |
== The Curious Case of Catwoman == |
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*I've been redoing some of the DC inventories, and I found that Catwoman's torso has ''two'' variations. The difference is a white line on the neck, which most minifigures have but the BrickSet inventories seem to rarely show. Which Element ID would I use?[http://brickset.com/detail/?set=6858-1] {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 12:22, December 6, 2012 (UTC) |
*I've been redoing some of the DC inventories, and I found that Catwoman's torso has ''two'' variations. The difference is a white line on the neck, which most minifigures have but the BrickSet inventories seem to rarely show. Which Element ID would I use?[http://brickset.com/detail/?set=6858-1] {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 12:22, December 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | **I don't know what to tell you. :S Brickset is still in the Beta stage with their parts numbering system and I've often seen identical pieces listed side-by-side - with each apparently appearing in a different number of sets! {{user:jeyo/sig}} 07:34, December 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ***I own the set, and her torso has the white stripe on it. Therefore, I would go with that. If we're wrong, we can just change it back later. -{{User:Nerfblasterpro/sig1}} 20:23, December 13, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | **** Whenever I get around to editing again, I will probably do that and just create a redirect for the other. {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 21:18, January 10, 2013 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 15:35, 19 January 2013
To any bot owners
Per CJC. I think the message should say, "may be outdated" instead of the absolute "is outdated".
I'd also suggest adding a similar message to inventory articles. Something like this: "Brickipedia is currently undergoing a change with the naming of part articles and this inventory lists parts that may have incorrect or outdated design IDs."
Names?
ImplementationIf people suddenly start naming parts according to this new system, it'll be a bit crazy. We will have twice the problem as before because all around the wiki there will be Design IDs from two or more sources. No one will know which are correct and which aren't, save for the few who actually follow this sort of stuff. Looking around on Brickset, I noted that every single torso design of any colour, printed or not, that was ever released, has the design ID 76382. This creates another rather substantial problem, as the torso for a Stormtrooper is not the same as the one as Jay's, obviously. And yet they have the same ID. So what I'm suggesting is to create a "master page" for the torso part. (I'm using torsos just for example; this would apply to all parts.) This "master page" will include in the gallery of variants every single torso variation we know of and it will link to the individual variations' articles. We'll change the name of the variations like so: Part 973-1177c01 will be changed to Part 76382/Pre Vizsla. That will identify the variation as Pre Vizsla's torso piece while also linking to the master page. To implement this, we must first stop all part and inventory article creation. If people continue to use bricklink's and/or Peeron's system, we'll have the problem I mentioned in the beginning: a widespread problem of IDs from two sources. So to prevent that, we have to handle the part articles as I just mentioned, with the master pages. We can then proceed to convert the rest of the part names. What do you think?
Darth henry The Dojo Turtles! 04:21, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
--Berrybrick (Talk) 01:49, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
QuestionCan someone please summarise the numbers system for me? I think that there are Part/Element/Design IDs, which ones are the ones inside the brick, and which ones are the ones in the instructions? Jag 02:35, November 24, 2012 (UTC)
The Curious Case of Catwoman
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