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Merge into brickwiki

I Have proposed we merge his sight into brickwiki so we can consolidate our efforts to make one good wiki. The people at brickwiki are willing to merge only if you guys over hear at Brickipedia also want to merge into brickwiki. This is only a Proposal. Please discuss on Brikipedia:Community_Portal#Merge_brickwiki or on brickwiki. Thank you --Yskyflyer 18:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image deletion

  • Hi Sannse, sorry about the problem with the images, we do have a policy of removing images which have a "confidential" or "preliminary" watermark on them as we're aware that those ones can cause some problems. But since there was no watermark on these images, I thought that they may have been ok to have on the wiki. Sorry again for any inconvenience caused by these images. NightblazeSaber 02:23, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
No problem :) thanks for understanding the need to delete -- Sannse@fandom (help forum | blog) 21:14, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
Look on the bright side, it means LEGO notices how good we are :P ---It's a Kind of Madness--- Kingcjc 21:32, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
Well I should think so too! It's quite a wiki :) -- Sannse@fandom (help forum | blog) 22:04, January 24, 2011 (UTC)


Hi. We edited the MediaWiki:Wikia.css page, after having a forum, where it was said that due to our young audience age, some wikis that show up here might be inappropriate for such young people.

Thanks, - nxt 16:16, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

  • It looks like UltrasonicNXT got to this before me.:) Anyways, we voted on having only spotlights removed from the site - not advertisements, due to our young audience (Some as young as 8 years of age) and some of your spotlights were sort of not suitable for a young child to see. So the community came to a consensus and I went ahead and coded the lines for the CSS. That was our main goal - not to break your ToU.:) Sorry if this caused any problems though. Thanks for fixing that image attribution thing up too. Skdhjf(Talk!) 18:22, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
    • To expand on what Sdk said, we have been asking for more appropriate ads via Special:Contact for months now, and our requests have thus-far been denied, hence the css. Back when a toys category existed, the spotlights were quite good, but now that we've been pushed into the lifestyle category (which doesn't make any sense btw), we're now getting spotlights that really aren't appropriate for an audience whose average age is 8 or 9. ajr 18:32, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, only 11% or so of the visitors here are likely to be under 13. 28% are 13-17 and 27% are 18-34. But that's by-the-by ;)
I think the main issue you have had with spotlights has been those for alcohol? I can't think of any others in this section that might have worried you recently. I can pass your concerns on to the people making spotlights again, and I'll also bring up the idea of a special tag for wikis with younger topics (I think it's already on the feature request list actually, I'll check). But the spotlights are a form of internal ad that make a big difference in helping us promote up-coming wikis - in some ways, they are as important as the external ads that directly pay the bills. Even the wikis that are otherwise ad free (from when we tried pay-wikis) have the spotlights, and I'm afraid I can't give you the go-ahead to remove them here. --- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 23:01, July 5, 2011 (UTC)
I thinks its about more than 11%. We get quite a amount of underage anons and users alike daily. (They express their ages openly, and we block them) And I see lots of children in particular taking about us (Brickipedia) on other LEGO related message boards, etc. So its more than those statistics.:) Yes, it's those Alchohol related spotlights and a really questionable (Sort of Expicit) Tattoo Wiki banner.:S And I don't think parents would appreciate their children looking at those. Yes please, if that'd be possible (Per you bringing the subject up to your Co-workers). We've actually been trying to press our concerns to you guys (Adjraddatz did) and there was no change. Our main concern is to protect our younger audience - that's it. We meant no offense in breaking the ToU; but drastic times call for drastic measures right.;D Thanks for your help again Sannse.:) Skdhjf(Talk!) 23:18, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Image Attribution

Did you say you were going to turn that off? It's still on. Jag 08:17, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

It looks off to me... I just made an image a thumb on Magazine:City_1 to check - do you see attribution there? or on another page? -- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 00:57, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
It's off now... thanks. Jag 23:51, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Your Note

Hi! I'm Crazed Penguin.

I saw your note on our forum for a possible move. We probably won't leave until about March 2012. I would like to be a caretaker and adopt the wiki when that happens. Me and King of Nynrah would like to be caretakers and adopt it.

--Da Penguin with da Epic Skillz! Crazed Penguin talk 04:16, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Hi :) I'm a bit confused... you say "we" when talking about the move, but then talk about adopting. Do you mean you are intending to stay when others move? -- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 18:28, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
No, Not exactly. Just to edit once a month and figt the trolls and vandals so it won't go to adoption or be ruined. I will be active on both wikis. --Da Penguin with da Epic Skillz! Crazed Penguin talk 00:06, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
It's likely that whoever adopts will be dedicated to this wiki, to prevent conflict of interest. But I think it's way too early to be discussing this now anyway :) -- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 00:22, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


Hey Sannse, please take a look at the last comment to Forum:Possible_move#From_Wikia when you get time. Thanks, ajr 16:44, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Aj, I should hear more from TOR soon, I've asked him to update me and let me know if it's something we might be able to add -- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 00:04, October 31, 2011 (UTC)


Hello Sannse! I haven't seen you about this wiki before! How are you finding it? OtterSurf 21:56, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hello, me again! What is your opinion of periods in gallery captions? It's causing a bit of a stir on the wiki and you seem like the perfect person to ask! Sorry if I'm bothering you! OtterSurf 22:22, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I have no opinion on that :) definitely one for the community to decide -- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 23:11, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Okay! We're in the process of deciding now! Thanks for your time. OtterSurf 09:08, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


I know this is probably nothing to do with you, but I don't know any other Wikia stuff to complain give feedback to. The new search has been irritating me and others for a few months now. Although the page is laid out nicer, the main issue is when you use the search box. For example, putting in Star Wars and clicking go would talk you to Star Wars. Now it takes you to here. Its not a major issue, just gets annoying after a while.

~ CJC 16:14, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I know there was a lot of conversation around which way to go with that. It's convenient for some to jump straight to the article, but a weird reaction for others - who may want to find all articles containing the words "Star Wars". Having it work this way is more like most people's experience of search - for example, Google has an "I'm feeling lucky" button, but that's not default. So if you type in "ebay", you get the page of results and don't get taken directly to
But I know it's a tricky one, and we'll keep watching how people use search and how well it's working. Sorry for the extra click in the mean time! -- sannse WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 16:54, September 17, 2012 (UTC)


Sibo2808 here,

just spotted your talk page and wanted to say something:

I'm thinking you're doing a great job in the wikia community!

Thank you , I appreciate you saying I'm doing a good job :)
No, I didn't create Wikia. It was started by Jimmy Wales (who also started Wikipedia) and Angela Beesley. I've worked here for a long time though :) -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 19:30, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


Would you be able to join Brickipedia chat? The last time you were on, it was quite nice to be able to speak with you, so I'd like to have that opportunity again. --ToaMeiko (talk) 23:33, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sure :) see you there -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 03:56, April 8, 2013 (UTC)

Can you please join chat? (Brickipedia) Legofan100 (talk)


Hi Sannse, Can we please chat now? Legofan100 (talk)

Hey Legofan100, I'm not around much this week I'm afraid - an eye problem is stopping me using the computer >_< but you're welcome to use the contact form, or I'll get on chat when I'm able to -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 20:38, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

I never heard anything in the contract about there being a deadline. As far as I've seen, we haven't been completely moved.--Jay is Gone. 17:36, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

The "goal" of Brickipedia, whether on Wikia or Brickimedia, is to make beneficial edits. This user is making beneficial edits, which we would want anywhere.

Note that I didn't say anything about not editing on Wikia. I simply invited him to join Brickimedia, and he can help edit here as well. --Jay is Gone. 17:58, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Random Thought

I was wondering, about how many alerts do you have to go through each morning? Talk page messages, Forums, "watched" pages, etc? --Jay is Gone. 16:40, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

You know, I've never really counted :) I guess there's usually something like 10-20 talk/wall messages, usually a couple of Special:Contact tickets that have been assigned to me, a pile of email to check, a few wikis to visit for various reasons (like this one ;), a pile of images flagged as bad to review... and so on. I don't use watchlists much at the moment, because I ended up with too many watched pages to manage. So I usually rely on Recent Changes and reminder lists.
I can't say I get round to all of it every day though, but I try :) -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 03:17, April 27, 2013 (UTC)


Don't know if you saw my PM, so I'm reposting it here.

"Special:Contributions/Lachlan5963 This guy wasn't present when you posted the forking guidelines. Should the block be lifted?"

-- BrickfilmNut Productions!

Thanks for posting, I didn't see the PM
Lachlan has been active elsewhere and knows the guidelines. I've discussed them with him before, on another wiki. Because of that, and other issues, his ban is a global one -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 17:20, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
OK, I didn't know there were other issues. Thanks for replying, though. -- BrickfilmNut Productions!

RE: Deleting Content

Well, I was not aware of the rule that I cannot delete my own blogs. If you would like me to undelete them, I will do so but I can't say I would be thrilled about it. I deleted my blogs because I will no longer be here to maintain them, so I didn't want emails pouring in saying people commented on my blog because I won't be here. In the future, I will check with you first. (also for my customs which I think you were hinting at: I deleted those because I had blurry pictures which I never really liked. Also I never uploaded them to the new wiki and you can verify with the other admins about that.) As for your message, I will check with you first, and if would like me to put my blogs back in place I will do so. klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 12:51, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Also looking into your comment further on this: [1]

it says in the first paragraph: "It would be fine for you to delete all of the pages in your personal namespace - as long as that doesn't affect other pages."

My blogs aren't affecting any other thing that I can think of, so I just wanted to point that out.

klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 12:54, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Per Klagoer - we have always allowed users to delete their own blogs here before - why should that change? Also, blogs are blatently owned by one specific user, and as such, should be theirs to do with what they want. They're organised under the user's name for gods sake! - nxt
Some of my reply is on the forum, but I'll just add here:
Klagoer: It's hard to be absolute in what's allowed, the list I gave you would have been impossibly long if I tried! But blogs are in the User_blog: namespace, rather than User:
Most of the stuff that people have in there user namespace is personal notes, reminders, drafts - things that no one else will ever want to read. Blogs, like Customs and Reviews (which I mentioned later in the comment you linked) are meant to be read and enjoyed by others, and so are part of the content.
UltrasonicNXT: What was done before isn't always what can be done when the situation changes as it has here. During a fork, there is a big risk of conflict of interest, or even occasional malicious intent. Even when someone does something totally innocently, it may be harmful to this wiki in a way that it wouldn't be in other circumstances. Until things settle, and the community here is stable, things will be a bit different - but I hope we'll get through that and out the other side -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 21:50, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
However Sannse, if the author has decided to take down their blog, then that wish should be respected. What if someone you know died and wanted to be buried by the ocean, but you decided that you like it better for them to be buried in the mountains. Same thing as the blog. Lets say I was dying and my wish was for my blogs to be taken down. Obviously you would not respect my choice, which just says a lot about you. klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 00:08, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
That, my friend, is what's called "a straw man" :)
I said (paraphrased) "don't remove content during the fork", and your response was (again, paraphrased) "you are evil, because you wouldn't respect my dying wish". The two situations are nowhere near each other, and nothing in what I said could possibly tell you how I would react to your dying wish.
As I said, you wrote those blogs on the wiki under the CC-by-sa license. At this point in time, under these circumstances, the wiki is continuing to use them as you already agreed it could. -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 00:38, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, then why on earth does Wikia have an option when you go to delete things called: "Author requested deletion." And Sannse do not put words in my mouth. Right now my opinion is really low of Wikia and I never called you evil. Blogs are apart of my user space, and I would really appreciate it if I didn't have to sit here typing this for you to understand me. I believe right now there is a lack of understanding on both sides. And also as I said above about the dying wish thing. It was an analogy. My account is dying here on Wikia to go to a better place. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough so I apologize for this.

Perhaps let's agree to disagree until something managable is reached. I think though had you just simply posted something on my talkpage: "Hey Klagoer. I recently noticed you deleted your blogs. While I understand you may be moving, could you please let me undelete them because it is my job to make sure these stay here. If you have any questions contact me." But no, you threatened to ban me for something I didn't even no was wrong. klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 02:27, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

I understand that you don't want some blogs deleted, but what about things like User_blog:Captain_Jag/F12:_RGI_Division? Leaving it there could give the (false) impression that I will be continuing to update it here. Or do you want me to add a notice saying that it is closed but that people can still read it? Jag 03:43, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
Klangoer: I apologize, I shouldn't have used the word "evil". In fact, in doing so, I'd say I fell in the the same "straw man" trap that you did :) I will try to be more careful how I paraphrase in future.
On "author requested deletion" - that's something admins might choose to do, it's not something that they are obliged to do. As with here and now, it depends on the situation. And when there is a recent fork, things may need to change - including (for now) the admin's ability to make that choice.
I don't want to argue even more about wording, but my intention on your talk page wasn't to threaten to ban you. I'm trying very hard right now to get this right - banning those who are definitely causing harm to the wiki, and talking to those (like you) where it may be a misunderstanding.
That said, it can be really hard to tell the difference! Especially as there are some who seem to be looking for loopholes (where I didn't exactly say "don't do <random thing>", I just said "don't do <similar random thing>"). So sometimes I feel I need to be extra blunt, or quick on the ban/de-admin button, to try and make it clear that it can't be that way.
I hope that all helps explain where I feel things are at the moment
Captain Jag: I see what you are saying. For blogs that are ongoing, rather than a one-off post, I would say it's fair to put a notice to say it's no longer live. Please don't make it another advert for the fork though - maybe just something like "This blog is no longer being updated" would do? -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 18:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you for apologizing. I will apologize as well, I will admit maybe I went a bit overboard. It was fun, it was real, but it wasn't real fun. Thank you for your time. klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 01:19, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Sannse, are my user page/talk page/F12:RGI acceptable? What needs to be done to make them suitable? Jag 20:47, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Help please

i'm not sure why, but when i click the reply button on forums, my reply won't post. itll let me type it, but it won't let me actually post anything. do you know why? -meGa

also, how do i change my name? it doesn't seem realy apropriate now that i'm an admin. -meGa
You mean on "Next steps for Brickipedia on Wikia"? Apparently that's a bug, it's a rare one, but annoying! I've had the thread fixed, and you should be able to post there now
To change your name, you need to send in the request with Special:Contact/rename-account. Be sure to choose carefully, you can only do this once! -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 18:32, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, it's hard for me to do it, too. :/ --Knight

You are still having problems with that forum post? or with all forum posts? What's happening when you try? -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog)

No, I mean fixing my profile like you want me to. --Knight (Also, can you reply on my talkpage instead of yours? It's annoying, as I don't get a notification that you responded.)

replied at User_talk:Awesomeknight1234 -- sannse

Admin Team

Are you using the request page or are you hand picking people? I can't load the page, it shuts Safari down, every time I try. I want to nominate myself as part of the team so I can be a g00D GuY 0n SaNnse's team :D -LazerzSoH --- Destroy, Destroy, Exterminate! 17:55, May 14, 2013 (UTC)LazerzSoH

As I said on the forum, nothing is happening yet... and we'll work out what's needed when it's time :) -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:11, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Meiko's Block

I just found out that Meiko has been globally blocked by wikia for helping other LEGO-related wikis fork. While I can understand this from a business perspective, I still have a hard time agreeing with this. First of all, it seems as if you're trying to force communities to stay on wikia when they may well be happier on Brickimedia. Is pressuring another wiki to fork good? No, but a one-time, neutral notice is fine. And if they agree, then it's understandable that the fork would be discussed on the wikia wiki, just as it was discussed here.

Now, even if Meiko's actions were uncalled for, the actions taken against him were way out of proportion. He didn't know he was breaking any rules, and out of all our members, he's been the one most willing to try and see eye-to-eye with wikia. A warning would definitely have sufficed; a block is ridiculous.

I am trying really hard to see eye-to-eye with you guys on this fork, but there are some reactions you guys have made that just make it so hard to sympathize with you. While Meiko may not have much use for wikia anymore anyway, I find the level of "enforcement" that you guys use to have disturbing implications, and as such, am certainly requesting, at the very least, an apology for Meiko.



I have never agreed more with BFN. Among us, Meiko was the one who tried the hardest to communicate and come to an agreement with you. Your blocking of him was, frankly, outrageous. I'd also like to point out how, apart from just being plain disturbing to say the least, Wikia's actions in this case were not very smart. Do you think that by blocking a decent user on a rule you could have made up, other wiki communities will be more willing to stay? -- Jeyo Lord VladekTalk The Forge 05:19, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Quite frankly, per this. Blocking a user who almost worked as a relay between Wikia and us forked-wikis is reidiculous. Is this your business strategy? Huh? Block any who don't want to be forced over by you lot? Your actions are uncalled for, and this, and your last thing of "no deleting blogs" have realy made me lose my respect for you. Consider yourself frowned upon. --Czech 05:31, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

    • Czech, don't argue with her about blogs. Sure they are in your user space but you know Wikia really doesn't actually love you. I argued with her above and she keeps quoting some rule book with no actual source to the rulebook.

Wow Sannse. A few days ago, I had little respect for you, but this just dropped it to nothing. You are being quite ludicrous in doing this. Also exactly, where is this "rule book"? You keep quoting it but I never actually got to see it... Is it possible that it isn't real and is just some generic rules that come out of the brains of staff? A link would be nice to see for once. klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 12:21, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

  • Per others. You could of still convinced us Wikia is the better place but any hope of that is done. You talk to us about a rule book yet it seems not to exist. I was considering using Wikia for other projects but not anymore. The global block would of been understandable if you gave a warning but you didn't. --Brick bobby talk What has wikis ever done for us?! 16:32, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

You made a mistake wiki.. this is the most pathetic thing you have done yet! Look out for houses that will fall on your sister, as this girl's getting her bucket of water readySoupperson1 Brickimediaz (take away the z) this is not an ad :PFriends girls

I understand everyone's feelings on this and I'm sorry you are unhappy about it.
As I said to ToaMeiko, there is a big difference between a community independently considering a fork, and someone going to other wikis to actively recruit them to join another organization. That's all I'm going to say about this at the moment, we don't generally discuss the details of global blocks with anyone other than the person concerned -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 22:38, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
OK, first of all, the CUUSOO wiki decided by themselves to move. Meiko didn't pressure them or anything; he just provided them with information and a personal offer. While from a business perspective I know why you would be scared of Brickimedia, it doesn't seem fair to withhold information from communities for the sake of profit.
Secondly, we're not asking for you to let us keep "recruiting" at different wikis. We are asking you to revert the totally uncalled-for block of Meiko for the reasons stated above.
Finally, I know that you "don't generally discuss the details of global blocks with anyone other than the person concerned", but that in itself is unfair. What is one, blocked user going to do if he is unfairly treated? Of course we're going to come in and back him. :-/

Not to stir the flame wars, but we did vote on this. It was not a "We must go decision". Sorry this has all happened. Sincerly, Cap.America (Staff LEGO CUUSOO Wiki)

I know. That's not what I meant. I meant that Meiko didn't pressure the CUUSOO wiki to join. He invited them, and you guys (vote or not) accepted. That is why you're moving after all, right? If so, then I'm saying that all that Meiko did was provide information, at which point you guys did all the rest. --BrickfilmNut

Completely. We decided from there. He did not force us. He was an excellent user. Sincerly, Cap.America (Staff LEGO CUUSOO Wiki)

Ah, okay. Also, looking back, it appears I misinterpreted your first comment. :3 My bad. --BrickfilmNut

No problem.  ;) Sincerly, Cap.America (Staff LEGO CUUSOO Wiki)

You must understand, when it gets tough, Sannse simply does not use logic but rather the card of that she is right. Now Sannse, I understand this is your job but looking at Meiko's work, he followed your damn guidelines. He said and I quote:

"This section explains acceptable conduct on this wiki during the forking process as stated by Wikia's forking policy: Do not spam this wiki. This wiki should stay as it is; nothing should be deleted, spammed, or vandalized. Do not spam advertisements. If you are moving, you can state that on your user page and user talk page, but nowhere else on the wiki. This includes articles, avatars, signatures, etc. Do not implore others to move. Any user can move or stay if they want. Do not tell them to move on their talk page or elsewhere. During the forking process, you are free to link, mention, give feedback on, or generally discuss the new wiki, its features, etc, but after the move is complete, the above rules are installed, and coordination regarding the new site is not acceptable."

Sannse, you lied. You just are simply acting coward like by not well you know what, there is no guidelines. You can't seem to have a link. You say one thing and do another. Simply sickens me...

I also see you never provided a link to the "rule book". I'm beginnning to think that it does not exist... klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 02:38, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sannse, I notice you say this:

there is a big difference between a community independently considering a fork, and someone going to other wikis to actively recruit them to join another organization.

Meiko was not, let me repeat, NOT "actively recruiting" any wikis. The LEGO CUUSOO Wiki has many members who are also active on LMBW and/or Brickipedia. Meiko privately discussed the possibility of CUUSOO Wiki joining Brickimedia with the CUUSOO admins before posting the blog that you seem to think was "recruiting". After a positive response from the admin(s), he posted the blog in which he asked the community if they wanted to move... But it was because part of the community already wanted to do so. He didn't just waltz in and start preaching Brickimedia to us.

I understand that going around wiki to wiki trying to convince people to move off the wiki would bother you. But that is not what Meiko did. The CUUSOO Community voted with a vast majority to move to Brickimedia. It was a community choice, and Meiko was very polite, and never tried to force the move on us.

This is to me an entirely unacceptable, even repugnant injustice. It is a prime example of the fact that Wikia values money more than it values individuals. I hope you realize that you have infuriated dozens of users, and are actually only hurting yourself.

Hoping for justice, ~ Obi the LEGO Fan (Talk)

Obi I agree with you entirely. As I said this may just show that a "Move" may be perfect. Sincerly, Cap.America (Staff LEGO CUUSOO Wiki)

I know that CUUSOO voted and decided for themselves. But they were initially invited to do so by ToaMeiko (first on chat, and then on the blog post). The analogy I gave ToaMeiko was that if you went into a shop to invite customers to leave there and come to your own shop, you would be thrown out pretty quickly. There wouldn't be a policy on the wall to say that's not OK, any more than we have a written policy about this.
I'm not sure where the idea of a secret rule book came from. It doesn't exist, and that's not something I have talked about at all. We have a terms of use, which covers issues relating to content, behavior and design. But it does not lay out every single policy that we practice, it would be impossible to cover every possibility. Sometimes something new happens, and staff have to work out the best way to deal with it, and sometimes something rare happens (like this) and we decide on our reaction using past cases and a decision on what we believe to be the best for Wikia and it's communities as a whole. -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 19:20, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Once again, it all makes sense from a business perspective. I understand not liking people help wikis fork while on wikia. But what about if the discussions took place off of wikia? A restaurant owner is not going to ban other restaurant owners for advertising their own restaurant somewhere else.
And once again, you're missing the whole point of our complaints. We're not saying we should get to continue helping wikis fork. We're saying that Meiko's punishment is just... unreasonable. Getting blocked out of nowhere is just, well, ridiculous.

Just stop eating food with a fork or something and unblock Meiko. Irnakk Council For Lordaeron!For-Lordaeron!

While we're at it, maybe I should just quote some Brickipedia's most respected users, since I doubt you'll follow the link anyway...

  • If they gave a warning, fine. But a global block without warning is just plain stupid. Some of the staff on Wikia seems to have gotten pretty dodgy in the last couple of years.
It's not like you were doing something like, say, checkusering legitimate users like Ajr and CzechMate without even bothering to provide a reason for doing so (which a staff member soooo did not do :/) --NightblazeSaber
  • Wikia, Wikia, Wikia. When will you learn that you'd probably have more users if you were a bit more sensible? King of Nynrah

Not meaning to be rude here, I try to keep at least some of my sanity left, but this move makes Wikia look like a tyrannical dictatorship.

With </respect>, Jay

(and before you ask, I did not make that into my signature.)

Hello All, I am stopping by here to post since it appears this conversation is getting rather personal and directed at Sannse. Here at Wikia the Community Support Staff all work together on issues and decisions, which recently has included the fork and ToaMeiko’s block specifically. We all agreed that Sannse took the needed measures. While we understand this may appear strict, our role is to help wikis on Wikia be successful, and seeing a user who is moving off Wikia asking another wiki if they would like to join is something that we take seriously. This is why the block was put in place. I know that Sannse has been in conversation directly with ToaMeiko and I would like to ask that you keep the conversation focused on your fork, and don’t focus on Sannse specifically. Thank you, --Sarah@fandom (help forum | blog) 20:04, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I, for one, am not trying to attack Sannse directly. The users who have written messages here have a big problem with Wikia's actions of late and as Sannse was the member of Wikia who is the most involved in Brickipedia's affairs, we're bringing the issue up with her. Don't get us wrong, it's not just Sannse we're angry at. All of Wikia lost our respect and is now earning our scorn. And the fact that you made that comment about Meiko's block while utterly ignoring our side of the conversation is actually quite annoying; all you two have done so far is repeat the same things - worded differently - while continuing to ignore anything we say that gets dangerously close to common sense. -- Jeyo Lord VladekTalk The Forge 20:18, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Per Jeyo, in a way. Also, we find the level of action you are taking to be disturbing in general; it's this general concern that many of us are speaking up about, not just Meiko's case in particular.
Also, everyone should really read Obi's comment above. A lot of the discussions started because of personal connections. Several LMBW users and Brickipedians were already on the CUUSOO wiki, and as such, it was kind of natural for such conversation to take place. In this sense, the use of the word "recruiting" is really insufficient in describing the scenario. --BrickfilmNut

  • @Sannse, when I say "rule book", I simply mean somewhere where these rules are placed. And Sarah, I read ToaMeiko's blog. It said that wiki is still open. He followed every damn guideline provided. He said and I will quote once again:

"This section explains acceptable conduct on this wiki during the forking process as stated by Wikia's forking policy:

Do not spam this wiki. This wiki should stay as it is; nothing should be deleted, spammed, or vandalized.

Do not spam advertisements. If you are moving, you can state that on your user page and user talk page, but nowhere else on the wiki. This includes articles, avatars, signatures, etc.

Do not implore others to move. Any user can move or stay if they want. Do not tell them to move on their talk page or elsewhere.

During the forking process, you are free to link, mention, give feedback on, or generally discuss the new wiki, its features, etc, but after the move is complete, the above rules are installed, and coordination regarding the new site is not acceptable."

Right there. It says everything we have been told. And also, the CUUSOO Wiki voted. It wasn't that they were forced, they chose! Are you saying that once you well here is an example:

I just bought a new Honda Accord. My friend found a car that is bigger and more reliable though which happens to be a Kia Sportage. Are you saying that I cannot move on to bigger and better things. We did not want to neglect the CUUSOO Wiki. So please, quit harassing us and making up rules that don't exist.

(Wikia is full of so many liars. You follow their policies and they block you, without warning!)

klagoerRollinglaughingsmileyname that user 20:27, May 16, 2013 (UTC) (Make sure to click the last link in my signature)

P.S. I closed the Next Steps for what have you thread because it was getting out of hand.

Klagoer... this post seems a bit excited. I'm not happy with wikia either, but should we tone it down a notch? BrickfilmNut (talk) 20:32, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

First of all, my sincere apologies if I came off as attacking Sannse in particular. I am attacking the injustice, and the system, but I retain confidence in Sannse's personal well-meaning. I'm sure she genuinely cares.

That aside, there are some fundamental errors and misunderstandings here. Let me quote:

But they were initially invited to do so by ToaMeiko (first on chat, and then on the blog post).

This is simply false. I don't know any other way to say it, but this is a misunderstanding. Meiko was asked by members of the CUUSOO Wiki if they could possibly become part of Brickimedia, not the other way around. Let me repeat:

Meiko did not initiate the possible move for CUUSOO wiki. It was members of the community who asked him.

Seeing as this is all a misunderstanding... I think an apology to Meiko is in store.

~Obi the LEGO Fan

@Obi, as Toa said in this blog,

 As my user page says, I'm a system administrator at Brickimedia, a network for LEGO fans and fan sites. I found this wiki, and I felt it would be an excellent site to have on the network. 
I talked this over with Codyn329, and he seemed quite supportive of this idea: to move this site onto the network. Benefits include...

I mean he was trying hard to follow your written rules. What if the rule you banned him for was visible in the Terms of Service or wherever the rules are found? He probably would have followed that rule if it was visible. I think that he should have at least gotten a warning. @Sanse I am not mad at you. You are a good user and you were doing what the Wikia group had decided. AG-SYSTEMS (talk) 12:07, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Meiko was a user who tried hardest to make the move smooth. He tried harder than any of us to be nice to Wikia, even if we wasnt happy with them. Per Obi, hoping for justice. I hope you know that we aren't hating you Sannse, but wikia in general.

BrickfilmNut: we don't try to regulate what's said off-Wikia (although, just to make sure I'm not inadvertently inaccurate, I guess if it were actually libel or something we might). As far as I know, no one has ever been banned by Wikia staff for something they said or did off-wikia.

Jeyo: we aren't ignoring the conversation. We've said all that we feel is appropriate to say about the block in public, and are actively talking directly to ToaMeiko about it.

Klangoer: To continue your quote, I also said "This doesn't cover all possibilities of course, so I'd would like to discuss anything not covered by these guidelines in advance. But this gives the outline for fork notices and covers the most common areas "

As I said above, there is no place where these rules are placed. "Sometimes something new happens, and staff have to work out the best way to deal with it, and sometimes something rare happens (like this) and we decide on our reaction using past cases and a decision on what we believe to be the best for Wikia and it's communities as a whole."

If I had guessed that this problem would come up, I would have included it in the list I gave back in February. I also didn't tell you that it would be a bad idea to go to Central and replace each page with a link to Brickimedia (by the way, that would be a bad idea ;-)... or 100 other things that you could do but I haven't thought of, or I don't think you would do anyway. I understand that you feel this (unlike the Central example) isn't something that it would be an obvious "don't do", and that will no doubt be part of the continuing discussion with ToaMeiko.

On the car analogy: you can move on to bigger and better things. But the Kia salesman can't go to the Honda showroom and start telling customers that the Sportage is a much better car (I acknowledge that you do not believe that ToaMeiko went to the CUUSOO wiki and invited them to move.)

Obi the LEGO Fan and LazerzSoH : Thank you for the kind words. I understand your position on what happened and who asked who. I'll make sure that this is also part of what is considered as we talk further to ToaMeiko about the situation. -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:17, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your reply to my comment. Now we know that, for future Brickimedia wikis (though the CUUSOO wiki's probably the last), we can assist them in forking or invite them to fork as long as discussions take place off of wikia. Good to hear.
About your reply to Klagoer, though, I understand the need to come up with rules on the fly, but to block users for such new rules without warning is still something that cannot be sympathized with. :P --BrickfilmNut
Per BrickfilmNut...just without the ":P". -- Jeyo Lord VladekTalk The Forge 00:13, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
I'm glad to hear you're still discussing things with Meiko; and I hope things will be resolved soon. ~Obi the LEGO Fan
I've wanted to stay out of this for the most part, but I'm curious as to why Sannse is arguing against advertising a change of host when it is something that she has done in the past herself. Here is an example. Maybe if Sannse could remember why she would do such a thing, she could understand why we would want to. Ajraddatz (Talk) 03:16, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
  • I just looked over what I typed above, hating Wikia is a little strong.I hope you get my idea though. Anyways, will Meiko be unblocked if he promises not to do anything like this again? Can he ever be unblocked? Thanks,


Not going hard down on you, Wikia, but look what I found on that Brickwiki page - which seems to me is 'recruiting wikis'.

I think there is always room for more than one wiki about a subject, just as there are several old-style websites out there on LEGO bricks. But that said, there are advantages in merging, especially in helping to build up a community large enough to keep the wiki going well. Wikia has the advantage of a shared userbase over a large number of wikis - if any of those uses go looking for a LEGO wiki, then they will look on Wikia first. Wikia is a great community and one that is growing and developing at an exciting rate. So why not consider a move to Wikia hosting? You would be most welcome there. It looks as though the founder of Brikipedia has moved on, so we could set up that site to duplicate this in many ways, including changing the name. We have a strong staff team who are there to help out at any time, and good investment in equipment to keep everything running well (we have just added new servers in Florida, to work with those already in place in California - that will give us more redundancy and so more security). There is more about the advantages of Wikia at Wikia:Why use Wikia? We have had quite a few sites move to us, including the very successful Memory Alpha and Uncyclopedia. It's free of course, and the content would remain under the GFDL. So please let me know if you are interested, and I can set things in motion. Thanks for your time all -- sannse (Wikia community team) 15:03, July 15, 2006 (Eastern Daylight Time) SirComputer - A Wikia Goner 09:15, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's.... wow. Yeah, okay, I won't go back on any of my "I understand" comments, but that is... I don't know, maybe a little hypocritical? --BrickfilmNut
Um.... Wow.... They did what they're accusing Meiko of, but much more clear cut and definitely "recruiting"... ~Obi the LEGO Fan


I would think this is all I need to say, but it isn't. At first, I thought your rules were fair, but they're getting out of hand. Because of this, some users who were staying are moving. The move is not something someone is forced to do, it's for someone to choose to do. You say we are forcing them to move, no. We are giving them a choice. Actually, now that I think of it, you're not giving others a choice, you are trying to keep them here. I was going to stay on Wikia for other wikis, but now I'm starting to doubt that. --Knight

Per Knight. (This might be my last edit here.) -Legoboy 08:00, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Knight: There is always a choice. I hope people will stay here, but I totally respect your choice whether you go or stay.

I think I replied to all the key points above... as always, please let me know if I missed anything. -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:17, May 17, 2013 (UTC) p.s, I won't be around as much over the weekend, although I'll do my best to look in

Though you may have answered what I said, I would like a response to specifically me. Thanks. --Knight

I'm sorry, I don't understand. The reply above ("there is always a choice...") was specifically for you -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 00:36, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I actually noticed it now. :S Also, they will always have a choice, but will they know they have a choice? That's my point. You're trying to make it as much as possible that they have no idea they have a choice, thus getting them to only think of this as a choice. --Knight

No offense Sannse, but Brickipedia doesn't have THAT much users, there's no need to worry about them moving... Irnakk Council For Lordaeron!For-Lordaeron!

Awesomeknight: People have had plenty of time to find out about the fork, months in fact. There has to come a time when the two wikis separate, and this one is no longer used to point people towards the other. People will learn that they have a choice in just the same way as they do between any other sites. They will hear about them in other places like forums, or from friends, or on search engines. Yes, Wikia will have an advantage there, at least in the short-term (and I believe in the long-term too, but you may disagree). But that's just part of the disadvantages of forking.
Irnakk: There are many good people here, that I am sad to see go. Brickipedia is a good wiki, and so of course I worry :) -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 22:34, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Not here, though. They aren't even allowed to read a REFERENCE to the fork. In Brickimedia, we have mentioned Wikia many times, we have even LINKED to Wikia. I feel as if the people on Brickimedia know they can go back, but the people on Wikia don't know they can move. -- Knight

Knight: as I've said, we are allowing people to link to the wiki on their user/talk pages, and leaving previous conversations (including links) on the wiki as well. Brickimedia needs to make it's own decisions about the amount of links etc. they allow, and Wikia has the right to do that on Wikia too. -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:13, May 21, 2013 (UTC)


My goodness everyone. Thanks for caring so much. A lot of this negativity at Sannse isn't necessary though. It wasn't her sole decision in blocking me, and additionally, she was the biggest help getting me unblocked. Without her help, I wouldn't have a way to talk directly with Wikia, and I probably wouldn't be unblocked without her continuous help. I thank you all for being so supportive of me though. It means a lot. --ToaMeiko (talk) 23:02, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Great job!

Great job at becoming a staff member! Who else here is a staff member! Also what is a fork for a website!? Zelaqua Have a crazy day!  :)

Hi Zelaqua. There are quite a few staff on Wikia, you can read more about those you are likely to see here on the Community Central wiki. A fork is a site that's created by copying the information from a "parent" site, and then both continue as separate projects/communities in their own right. It's like a fork in a road - there's one site, then another is created and they go off in two different directions. I hope that helps -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:13, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Drew1200's analysis

I just saw this today, and I've read everyone's messages. I wasn't planning on getting involved, but as I read, there were a couple things that I thought should be said. I do not entirely agree with either side. I think that Wikia's action of blocking Meiko without a warning was unreasonable. Also, I think Sannse's analogy about the shop is also invalid, and contradicts Wikia's policy. But I also have to disagree with everyone saying that Wikia keeps referencing this non-existent rule book. There are very few people who can write a policy thorough enough that it will cover just about every situation that could happen. Even the small amount of people skilled enough to do that will always miss something. The Staff most likely regularly encounter something that is not covered by their policy. Hopefully, they would still be able to make a good decision, but mistakes should be expected.

As BFN has said, Wikia is a business. Being that they're a business, they don't need to have a reason to block someone. In a case like Meiko's, it could possibly be a risky situation. You're almost guaranteed to have upset customers who will not only no longer use your services, but they'll also advertise against you. Word of mouth is a powerful form of advertisement, possibly the most powerful one that exists. However, it can be used in either direction, to advertise for a business, or to turn people away. Upset customers are almost guaranteed to do their best to turn people away. But, if you think your loss will be smaller than you're gain, then it may be worth it. There could be other wikis that Meiko would have helped recruit if it weren't for being blocked. It may actually help Wikia more than it damages it. Then again, there may be users who quit using Wikia's services altogether because of this situation. It was indeed a risk, but Wikia had complete freedom to do this, and no matter how unreasonable it may seem, it was not an abuse of power.

There are several things that I think Wikia is doing wrong here as well. As I said above, it wouldn't be an abuse of power to block someone for no reason. However, Wikia did give a reason, and that is a problem. According to what I've read, it was because Meiko was recruiting the CUUSOO Wiki. According to Wikia's policy, you are allowed to fork a wiki, and you can help with it all the way up until the fork is complete. If Meiko was truly blocked for helping the move on that wiki, or even for talking about it on chat, then that is a real problem. That would mean that Meiko's block is violating Wikia's own policy. In that case, does it mean that Wikia broke the rules, or does it mean that Staff are above rules? If the Staff broke the rules, then how can I trust them? If they're above the rules, then how do I know that all of my information is kept safe? If Staff aren't subject to rules, then for all I know, they could be giving out my password, and sharing my IP. Clearly something is wrong here. Either this wasn't the real reason Meiko was blocked, or the Staff messed up big time.

This is also the problem with the analogies Sannse used. If someone were to go into the typical business, and start shouting about how the competitors are better, then they would be asked to leave. However, this isn't the case with Wikia. According to their policy, Wikia does allow for forks. If Meiko were to randomly go onto the MLP wiki and tell everyone to ignore Wikia and start using Brickimedia instead, then that should results in a warning. However, Meiko did not do that. He went onto the CUUSOO Wiki, a LEGO-related wiki, and asked them if they wanted to consider moving to Brickimedia. According to Wikia's terms of use, that is a perfectly legal action that really could not result in a valid warning.

So my main problem with Meiko's block is the reasoning that the Staff claimed to have used. I really have trouble believing that the Staff used that logic. If they really did, then I don't think they would be capable of running a social site as massive as Wikia. That would take a much higher level of reasoning than all the fallacies that were used here. If you have no reason for blocking Meiko, or you are not willing to reveal those to the public, then I can respect that. But if not, then I really don't know what to think of all the Wikia Staff represented by this decision. Drewlzoo 19:43, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Whoops, I was just told that the CUUSOO Wiki asked Meiko if they could move. Still, it appears to me as though he was blocked for helping the CUUSOO Wiki move. My reasoning still applies to that. Drewlzoo
Thanks for this Drewlzoo, I don't agree with all of it of course, but I appreciate the thought put into it.
One thing I feel I need to clarify: we don't ban for forking, but we expect the fork to be something that's initiated by the community involved. That's different from someone from outside that wiki going to it to recruit (whether it's on similar topic or not). I know there is a difference of opinion as to whether that was the case on CUUSOO, but we had a strong enough reason to feel it was, and that's why there was a ban. -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:13, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for unbanning ToaMeiko

Thank you so much for unbanning ToaMeiko! :D AG-SYSTEMS (talk) 22:56, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Thank you. :-) BrickfilmNut (talk) 23:04, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
I was about to update here, but I see I'm too slow. So just for the record:
To keep everyone updated: after discussions with ToaMeiko, and among staff, his block has been removed. Thanks for your comments everyone -- sannse @fandom (help forum | blog) 23:13, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well, this is at least one plus for Wikia. Jay

Per Jay. ~Obi

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